Published Tuesday 24th April 2012 by L’Union L’Ardennais.
Interview by Sophie Claeys-Pergament.

A return to the forgotten values of wine-growing – an obvious step for making good wines, says Jean-Baptiste Lecaillon. Photo: Bernard Sivade
Roederer’s Cellar Master is going to be producing a Cristal 2011
A for assemblage [blending]
“When talking about the know-how in Champagne, the blending really lies at the heart of what makes champagne tick. The blending is still the key to everything we do. In Champagne, there is real method, an approach, and a continuity of aiming for the best that are unique. With us, there are wine-growers and there are blenders. The final objective for us is to know what is going to be done with our wines.”
B for biodynamic
“Today, of the 230 hectares owned by the firm of Louis Roederer, 40 hectares are being cultivated under biodynamic agriculture. These include 10 hectares bought from the Leclerc-Briant estate that are certified, and another 30 hectares not currently certified. This represents a substantial area. And we also have another 15 hectares being farmed organically. But in this move, I am very clear about one thing: I am not a biodynamist. However, I apply this method as an additional tool in cultivating the vineyards. This came to our attention in the early 2000s. We then sought to carry out a large-scale experiment in our vineyards. This fits within our strategy, which we had strengthened in 1996 when we started a major programme of going back into the vineyards. At that time, we had set ourselves the objective of working our wines more in the vineyards than in the cellars. In this way, we could find the true expression of the Champagne terroir by bringing out our differences compared to the other regions. What woke us up to this step was our experience internationally, with our vineyards in Australia, and California, and in Bordeaux. In all these estates, we have one sole obsession – the unique flavour of the terroir. And though we certainly do need know-how in Champagne, it is nothing unless we make the most of the terroir. This return to wine-growing and biodynamic agriculture allows us to re-learn wine-growing that we had perhaps rather forgotten. Today, 70 % of Roederer’s vineyards are tilled, while in 1996 it was only 20 %.”
C for Cristal
“Cristal was the first prestige Champagne cuvée in 1876. It is an original choice by Louis Roederer to select old vines on very limey soils in quite specific locations so as to give the wines a ‘crystalline’ aspect. This is a well-defined area with us, with very specific plots. Of course, these change according to age or the working of the soil. The ‘DNA’ for Cristal is maximum ripeness of the fruit on limestone soils, allowing us to enjoy ripe, fresh wines that age well. Lightness in density.”

E for esteem
“The friendly connections between the producers are very important. I am fortunate to get on very well with Cellar Masters like Dominique Demarville (Veuve-Clicquot), Régis Camus (Piper and Charles Heidsieck) and Thierry Gasco (Pommery) – this is my primary circle. These are friends who share the same passion and ambitions for the Champagne region. We need to stick together so we can move ahead and pass certain points.”
F for foudre [a tun]
“We have chosen to work with very large containers that allow us to carry out very long maturing on lees that is not reducing, so as to obtain good substance in the wines. Historically, the tun was used for maturing, but the actual winemaking was done in stainless-steel vats. In 1996, thanks to our work in the vineyards, we obtained more powerful wines – wines that were capable of being vinified in tuns. Part of the great terroirs is in tuns because that gives a texture and sucrosity, without the woodiness that a smaller cask might give. The wood must just lend its sexy, seductive side. This is the ‘fun’ element in our fine wines! But watch out – just as for biodynamics, this is a tool, not a recipe!”
H for heritage
“We have to know how to ensure a continuity in our philosophy. And this continuity is linked to the way we ‘hand on the baton’. I spent ten years with Michel Pansu in order to understand the spirit of the house. You have to be both respectful, and at the same time aware of the good fortune you have in being able to recover all that. And of course keep moving throughout your whole career, so you can pass on something that is even finer.”
M for millésime [vintage]
“Today, 70 % of Roederer’s vineyards are tilled, compared to only 20 % in 1996. With the 2011 grape harvests, we could see the fifteen years’ work that has been done. The 30 % of the vineyards that had not been tilled suffered the dryness of the 22nd and 23rd August, and then dilution with the rain that fell in the Champagne region on the 24th August. Then came the famous “ripeness floor”. Everyone then criticized the early date for opening the grape harvest. But for the 70 % that were tilled, no problems – my vines continued to ripen and my sugar level rose. And I can tell you, the result is there. This harvest yields wines with good densities and good concentrations. So I can confirm that I am going to be producing a 2011 vintage. There is even going to be a Cristal 2011. I’d describe this year as a rather ‘oceanic’ year, with a slightly humid, hot phase. We are juggling with difficult levers like rot and dilution. This is perhaps why some people are disappointed – it’s a vintage that’s difficult to work. It’s a wine-grower’s vintage. To me, the finest harvests were in 2002, 2006, 2008, and 2009. These were harvests where everyone was smiling; that’s there we have fun bringing in the harvest, with the ambition of making some good wines out of it. These are pleasurable harvests. These are cohesive vintages that go well and at the right moment. 2004, on the other hand, was a miracle of Nature after 2003. Conversely, 2000 gave me great headaches. When it came to wrapping up the blending, I didn’t know which vats they were going to go in. It’s like a dancer in constant movement.”
R for Roederer
“This is a firm that’s in continual movement. It has this total, family view of having control over the vine, the wine, and the distribution. Not forgetting control over the quality of the product. We can never overlook our technical openness towards other wine-producing regions. Here at Roederer, we want to do the best everywhere we own vineyards. This lets us carry practices back-and-forth, which is very enriching.”
T for terroir
“I think that the Champagne region is a land of know-how. The product we produce today is the result of this heritage. Of all the wine-producing regions, we are present with a magnificent terroir – but it’s obvious that it’s really the people who have been able to transcend this through several stages of vinification. In this way, these dozens of steps have made it possible to create an exceptional wine today. I can’t speak of a ‘quality mark’, as we have to work on the ‘Champagne’ appellation. It’s a daily challenge. It’s not because we have an AOC that we should lack depth – we enjoy the benefit of extraordinary good fortune, but we must unceasingly re-write history. What’s more, we offer only a single product, unlike the other regions producing white, rosé, or red wines. With us, we’ve concentrated on champagne, and have invested a great deal of knowledge in it, in terms of vine-growing, œnology, and blending. The appellation cannot be represented solely by its set of specifications. Or else they’d have to be a whole lot more ambitious than they are at the present.”
V for vieillissement [ageing]
“When I read the reports from the company teams in 1947 (one of the finest champagne vintage years), I see that the Verzenay vineyard came in at an average of 12.6°, I say to myself that the Champagne region has never done so well as when the grape is ripe. Up till the ’70s, we had acidities at five grams; back then, the old-timers didn’t care, as yields were around 5–6,000 kg/ha – yet that gave concentrated wines. It’s not the acidity that holds wines up, but the density. The acidity is only one element in a wine’s ability to age well. It’s not the only answer.”

Doing better…
Jean-Baptiste Lecaillon might be described as “the boy next door”. Greatly liked by his peers, funny and courteous, Jean-Baptiste Lecaillon plays a major role in the firm of Roederer. Within the Roederer empire, he is Deputy Managing Director, as well as Vineyard and Cellar Master for Roederer champagne. He also manages the whole of the production from the subsidiaries in the other areas.
Roederer in fact includes a small constellation of high added-value properties. These are the Roederer Estate and Scharffenberger in California, Champagne Deutz and the House of Delas in the Rhône Valley, Ramos Pinto and its Douro vineyards in Portugal, Domaines Ott in Provence, and the Châteaux of Pez and Haut-Beauséjour in Bordeaux (Saint-Estèphe), joined in late 2006 by Pichon Longueville Comtesse de Lalande (Pauillac) and Bernadotte (Haut-Médoc).
Yet ever since his appointment to the post of Cellar Master in 1999, following in the footsteps of Jean-Louis Riou and Michel Pansu, Jean-Baptiste Lecaillon is still always asking himself “the” question: “How can we do better?”
Source : http://www.lunion.presse.fr/article/marne/roederer-labecedaire-de-jean-baptiste-lecaillon